A lie is a lie regardless of who's good it is for. When you get caught telling a lie you loose all credibility. The CDC really hurt themselves and I think made it worse when they came out with their we didn't want people hording them remark. That just means they valued certain people's lives over others.
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What are the Chances.......
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As a scientist, I have seen a number of studies that do show that 1) Covid is spread by aerosols and airborne droplets, and 2) Masks (at least most decent ones) do help prevent the spread and inhalation of covid in the air. So I agree that they can be useful, and mandated in many places. But I also think that some places have gone nuts, by asking people to wear them when alone (or with only family members) outside, in their car, and many other places that people are not near anyone else. I have seen cases of disease spreading by people being tightly packed indoors, but few cases of people catching it from just walking, etc outside. So I don't mind wearing a mask to work, shopping, in crowds, etc, but do think mandating them outside in all cases is pointless. (A Kentucky man is facing $569,000 in fines after being accused of violating Canada's COVID-19 rules)
As to countries trying to eliminate the virus, a few did it for a short time, but almost all have failed or will fail, including a remote island of 54 that now has it. As Sunt said, we can flatten the curve, but it will be hard to eliminate it. I can see older people staying home if retired or able to survive on savings, but most of us need to eat and pay our bills somehow, so we have to work for a living. Until a good treatment and/or vaccine come out, which may take a while, that requires some of us to take risks, but they are not so bad for younger, healthier, people. If they would just let kids to summer camps and colleges, catch the damn thing and then stay put for 3 weeks, it would run its course, most of the kids would get it and be over it, and then they could go back to school with little hazard to most people, and life could move on. I keep hearing about 100's of college students catching it, and have heard few of them getting very sick. More kids die in college from alcohol than will die of Covid, I would bet. I agree this is not a trivial disease, and people with obesity, health issues, and older age should stay home (maybe go on a diet as well, including myself), and there are risks, but trying to isolate and quarentine 320 million people for over a year will cause far more issues than Covid in the long run.
As to countries trying to eliminate the virus, a few did it for a short time, but almost all have failed or will fail, including a remote island of 54 that now has it. As Sunt said, we can flatten the curve, but it will be hard to eliminate it. I can see older people staying home if retired or able to survive on savings, but most of us need to eat and pay our bills somehow, so we have to work for a living. Until a good treatment and/or vaccine come out, which may take a while, that requires some of us to take risks, but they are not so bad for younger, healthier, people. If they would just let kids to summer camps and colleges, catch the damn thing and then stay put for 3 weeks, it would run its course, most of the kids would get it and be over it, and then they could go back to school with little hazard to most people, and life could move on. I keep hearing about 100's of college students catching it, and have heard few of them getting very sick. More kids die in college from alcohol than will die of Covid, I would bet. I agree this is not a trivial disease, and people with obesity, health issues, and older age should stay home (maybe go on a diet as well, including myself), and there are risks, but trying to isolate and quarentine 320 million people for over a year will cause far more issues than Covid in the long run.
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Pjmo I agree with what you say with the exception of the valuing certain peoples lives over others. I think the lie was told because they thought medical workers would be at more risk of being exposed and so the limited supply of masks would save more lives being used by medical workers than the public. I am sure they were also thinking that keeping the medical workers well and at work would also save more lives than if large numbers of them were off sick. It was more a matter of trying to save the most lives rather than valuing some lives over others. I am sure there are many people involved in that messaging that look back and think why did we not think of telling people to make their own masks right from the beginning
BobinNC I agree with you that the virus cannot be eliminated but I think it can be kept at a lower level in the population such that the economy can function and peoples lives can be closer to normal than they are now. This is happening in some other countries. The focus has to be on finding the people who are infected and as quickly as possible quarantining them so they do not spread the virus.
To do this there has to be consistent and abundant public messaging. It will never happen if the government can't get the people participating in fighting the virus.
BobinNC I agree with you that the virus cannot be eliminated but I think it can be kept at a lower level in the population such that the economy can function and peoples lives can be closer to normal than they are now. This is happening in some other countries. The focus has to be on finding the people who are infected and as quickly as possible quarantining them so they do not spread the virus.
To do this there has to be consistent and abundant public messaging. It will never happen if the government can't get the people participating in fighting the virus.
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I hope everyone can take the information they glean from local sources (check and double check it), make informed decisions as to how best to keep their families safe, do the best they can to keep going as normally as possible.
I wouldn't trust anything you hear from any government or media source with out doing a bunch of verification (i think that's how you should always treat any information you receive anyway).
As for this forum specifically I hope everyone here gets a chance to blow off some steam and releave some stress by shooting some fireworks (safely) as soon as possible. To the guys who make a living doing this I hope business comes back soon (I think it will) and that the next year involves lots of shows.
I wouldn't trust anything you hear from any government or media source with out doing a bunch of verification (i think that's how you should always treat any information you receive anyway).
As for this forum specifically I hope everyone here gets a chance to blow off some steam and releave some stress by shooting some fireworks (safely) as soon as possible. To the guys who make a living doing this I hope business comes back soon (I think it will) and that the next year involves lots of shows.